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Koosebane Crisis: I Will Stay, but the Rules Will Change.

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Some time has gone by after the Koosebane crisis and I had some time to think and I've come to realize the following:

1) The nature of Newsvine is very different from what I first took it to be

2) The way NV conducted themselves was shameful, but understandable

3) After several conversations with Koosebane, I have come to the conclusion that I also do not agree with his position of not feeling that there is anything wrong with slapstick or easy-to-misunderstand humor on this forum.

And I feel stuck directly in the middle. What it comes down to is that Koosebane offended NV by using poor humor and NV offended Koosebane by treating him like crap.

There are no winners in this. Only losers. Koosebane was too good a member to have been booted, yet booted he was. Newsvine has failed to implement policies that would ensure transparency and safety and, at least nominally, refused to learn from this experience, not to mention lost a very interesting user. And me? Well, I just ended up looking like a drama queen.

But one thing is important: Newsvine is a great endeavor. I could strut my feathers and defiantly leave because I didn't like the way the situation was handled. And I was seriously considering doing so, but several people for whom I have great respect have asked me to stay and part of me does understand the witch-hunt NV engaged in, so I am going to swallow my pride and hope NV and K follow my example.

However, seeing how the situation has changed, I will also change the nature of my involvement to conserve time and improve efficiency.

From now on, I will implement the following:

1. I will mark some of my posts as "strongly-moderated". What this means is that I will not tolerate what I perceive as demagoguery and will liberally remove all comments I find uninteresting, counterproductive, or simply because I do not like them. If Newsvine is a community, my column is a little sub-community and I should be able to make my rules. If good users like Koosebane are banned for minor offenses, I should be able to protect my threads from ignorance and other, real offenses. Please do not mistake this for ideological censorship - alternative points of view are welcome and desired, but they must be well formulated and presented to be accepted as commentary.

2. As a policy, unless something violates CoH or really rubs me the wrong way, I will NOT remove links to relevant content from strongly-moderated threads be they Bush=devil diatribes or pointless anti-corporate rants. So if your post is being removed, simply place it elsewhere and link to it. This should satisfy those who might wish to scream that I am violating free speech.

3. I will unlikely respond to comments that have less than 3 votes (the number may change) unless I find a comment to be extraordinary. So if you happen to read my threads, please vote if you would like to see a response from me.

I would like to help shape this community into one that is a source of enlightenment that will have a positive effect on our society, rather than a loud bastion of ignorance.

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{"commentId":570384,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Quick question:

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The way NV conducted themselves was shameful, but understandable

"Newsvine" -- do you mean the Newsvine employees -- or the Newsvine community -- or both?

Frankly, the Newsvine "team" is damned if they do, damned if they don't. I feel they do a pretty killer job -- considering it's six against 60,000.

My personal feelings about Koozebane are that he wasn't every going to emerge into a productive, civil member of the community. With that said, I don't know the details of his "ban" (I missed the whole debate) and can't say one way or the other whether he dug his grave or whether several other people pitched in shovels. I will say that my guess does not favor Koozebane.

At any rate, it's good that you're staying.

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Reply#1 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 3:52 PM EST
{"commentId":570462,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}

Thanks Brian. Both the community and the admins. The majority of the community showed that they are a mob with very few notable exceptions. Take a look at the link above - it pretty much covers the conflict. And the admins treated both me and K like crap. They started this site and, while I understand their frustration, they did not handle it in a clear unbiased way that would have been expected.

Also, if you think Koosebane was not contributing, you weren't following him. He was one of the very few users who actually did research and provided intersting material in discussions. He also did it without ANY finanicial incentive/compensation and he did not ever seed or write - only commented. I can provide links upon request, although you are welcome to look through his history on your own.

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#1.1 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 4:28 PM EST
{"commentId":570463,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}

Oh, and thanks for your welcome. I appreciate it.

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#1.2 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 4:28 PM EST
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{"commentId":570539,"authorDomain":"farmer"}

NikitaB. Don't ever think what you tried to do for Koosebane was not appreciated by others. it was. Your line:

I would like to help shape this community into one that is a source of enlightenment that will have a positive effect on our society, rather than a loud bastion of ignorance.

needs repeated again and again and again. Thanks for being here.

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Reply#2 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 5:06 PM EST
{"commentId":570691,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}

Thanks. I really appreciate it. At the same time, it was funny and disappointing to see some of the more idiotic responses. But I really want to thank you and those who expressed their support. It's very appreciated.

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#2.1 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 6:09 PM EST
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{"commentId":570745,"authorDomain":"LAUHAL63"}

Welcome back! Nice to see you around.

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Reply#3 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 6:37 PM EST
{"commentId":570762,"authorDomain":"LAUHAL63"}

Oh, and by the way - you might want to tidy up your spelling of Koozie's name. You just know you'll get flak for that. :)

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    #3.1 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 6:41 PM EST
    {"commentId":570815,"authorDomain":"nikitab"}

    He actually spells it differently. Sometimes with and s and sometimes with a z. Not sure why he does it - I was confused myself at first. Even spelled it KooseNbane at some point. Not sure why... anyway, thanks for the welcome :)

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      #3.2 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 6:55 PM EST
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